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Conversation started February 12, 2009

  • Angela Glass
    The other Baxley

    So I see you do interaction design – what do you work on?

    I hear all Baxley’s in the US come from two brothers, John and someone else…? Funny, I was dreaming about genealogy last night.

October 5, 2011
  • Angela Glass

    I just heard about Jobs. This July at 07:06:08 am in the morning I won the bid on eBay for the Jim Henson Think Different educational edition poster. For me, it was my “arrival”. My escape from the corporate beast and into creativity.

    Except—who is going to take care of the dreamers then?

    Are you staying at Apple? I would love to come work there, and I’m going to reach out to Biki to see what’s what.

    But I wanted to know if you’d be sticking around. Something about the desire to work with “family”, even if we aren’t “really” related.

October 9, 2011
  • Bob Baxley

    Hey Angela — sorry for the delayed response. Yep, last week was definitely a challenging one for all of us.

    Needless to say, waking up Wednesday morning … [redacted] … to find out at 4:30pm that Steve had passed away — well, yep it was quite a day.

    It would be great to have you at Apple so let me know if there’s something I can do there to help. What type of design do you actually do? Is it graphic design or more interaction/UI focused?

    Thanks for the note and look forward to continuing the conversation.

    All the best…Bob

    PS. And congrats on getting the poster. I’ve got one of Jackie Robinson framed and three more waiting for their date at the frame shop.

  • Angela Glass

    Which are the other three? What made you decide to go? I’m interaction/UI. I might have found something to keep me entertained in the AI world, it’s so hard of late to find anything that seems worthwhile putting your mind to. I have a “hire” on record. I’d considered working for the iTunes area before I left SF. Headed out to read by the sea. Hang in there—I can imagine just that sort of day. I had my own personal version of that.

October 24, 2011
  • Bob Baxley

    Hey Angela — sorry for the delayed response. [redacted]

    [redacted]

    As for the posters, I actually have quite a few but the ones that are likely to make it up on the wall are Jackie Robinson, Alfred Hitchcock, Pablo Picasso, and Cezar Chavez. Still have pull the trigger on lots of framing.

    Hope all is well with you. Let me know if you’re ever down in this part of the world. I have the feeling that dinner and a bottle of wine are in order.

    All the best…Bob

October 25, 2011
  • Angela Glass

    Bob you’re wonderful! Tell me more about this position? I’m dying to work on something interesting but just can’t seem to manage to hoist myself back into the South Bay/SF merri-go-round. I was pretty perturbed by my pals in the VC world who would give me anything, as long as it meant sitting in one of their fish bowls. I know it’d be a different story if I had a family, or even a someone, with whom to settle into a town like Palo Alto, but even that seems to be a far fetched idea… I counter it with headed south to Nicaragua like my grandpa did, or over to Europe with friends who make little, but love life much.

    Obviously your experience has been different. Until I ended up car-less, a story as any story in my life goes, I had been thinking about taking up a Genius Bar job. Currently a producer (as in “The Producers” style) is trying to get me to move up to Los Angeles, but it’s hard to suss out if that’s wooing for work, or if he has another agenda. I am thinking of more artistic pursuits.

    A bit of personal/personality here… called it bored, and call it intrigued. Wish I would have reached out (more actively) when I had been in the area. Incidentally, I had commuted every day down to Sunnyvale with my Apple pal who worked on the website. I’m sad to see everyone I know have exited… Faruk, Eris, Stickel, and Jina first come to mind. Biki is still there?
    Don’t worry about quack response times or anything, just happy to hear you figured out swinging a stay. I imagine it’s a great time for sticking it out. Such a legend, even if I only knew him to be arrogant (and genius).
August 27, 2013
  • Angela Glass

    Thank you.

    I love when I believe in the right people. You are one of the coolest I know. You know I don’t say things I don’t mean…

    But don’t go telling people!

    Jan-Michael is so happy.

  • Bob Baxley

    Hope it works out. This could be awesome timing for everyone involved.

    Hope all is well.

  • Angela Glass

    No kidding. If he leaves you and you still need contract, don’t forget me!

    D and I will be in town soon. Not sure if there will be visiting time, but if so…! Cisco is after me to do a Siri like gig contract from home (NC) perm — wondering if you’d think it’d be a non-compete issue. I’ll let you know if I decide to really look at it.

    How’s life?

    surviving the teen?

    i just posted wedding photos on FB

September 4, 2013
  • Angela Glass

    Pull out your [redacted] notes and use ’em on [redacted] . Let me know if I should step into mentioning. I had backed off leaving iTunes besides as a moral mentor.

    Mentoring. He’s killer. He’s so excited. I’m pleased for you both.

November 20, 2013
  • Angela Glass

    Checking on how it’s going with [redacted].

  • Bob Baxley

    He’s doing great. Delivering really solid work and definitely a big asset to the team. Unfortunately I expect him to get picked up by one of the product teams pretty soon so not entirely sure he’ll be with me much longer.

    Sure wish he’d finish his college degree.

    How’s your works these days. Missing the loop that is infinite?

November 21, 2013
  • Angela Glass

    Me too. I pushed him to finish the degree and sent him back to Georgia to do so—Peter fired me and then brought him back again as an intern (the never ending intern) promising a full time role when the head count existed — and then hired someone else meanwhile without telling him. Jammie’s quit school (again) and moved for real (like an employee not intern this time) and then Peter let him go after a few weeks of that. So BLAME PETER I sure do. I’ll eventually have to email Tim and explain everything. I’ve been trying to let my anger pass for Peter prior. (You’ll recall Peter fired me because “everybody likes you and nobody likes me, since you started” and was tracking my period to to shock of my co-workers. I was so stunned I was a blithering blubbering fool when I tried to tell my friend (upper management) about it. — Awkward!

  • Angela Glass

    If Jammie’s has to pass on to a role, then um. Yes, I miss working. If you want me, I want to work for someone I trust. Problem is I’m still largely stuck in a middle world. Darryl and I need time and space together while he has to be able to spend time with the kids while Gianna at least is still under 18 (she’s 15, they are 18 Melissa and 21 Adrian). We’d BOTH love to work for Apple as Steve and MJ implied we could — but I need to find someone or someplace which wants a pair of rockstars who more than make up for the difference. As it is, he lost his long term boring contract with a company who put him on salary to under pay him (like a full time contract) which is freedom, but hey—I never made any money at Apple (all that stock for when you stay long term never helped pay the bills for my family that I didn’t want to talk about … ) so, yeah… thats my long more detail so you can help if there’s a place to ‘help’ out and point me/us in the right direction. Otherwise, I’d really really like to find out who cares about me being a world class undercover product researcher. I still act like I did at Microsoft (and was paid for) to bring the product cycle full circle to fix issues. — SO would have been perfect if the incoming VP wasn’t from HP … anyone else would have kept me on the payroll and loved the ‘cheap’ research at that price point. Honestly, I couldn’t afford to live in my basement in SF and work at Apple. So now I’m jobless but I also only need very little money anymore. Problem: Kids and the college and daddy has a tax debt from when he first tried doing solo and screwed up the taxes.

  • Angela Glass

    On another note— how do you feel about me returning to the scene of the crime? I used to be illustrious even here. But I think I would try to pursue being independent or staying @Apple (@Google keeps sniffing, but I feel like I need to stay on ‘my team’ — my ex now runs a massive part of that world, and I’d rather not ‘compete’ with my Siri love by designing her for the third time elsewhere.)

  • Angela Glass

    I’m a AI consultant too, but it seems no one ever knows what that is and why they’d need it, and i’m not a sales girls, so no $$ though I’d imagine a payday there would be great.

    Jared (Spool) used to be my advice guy, but you and I have gotten to connect more lately. Interested in your thoughts — don’t worry, I type more than I expect you to!
    Which product team for JM? and did Annie get off Peter’s team yet? That woman has more patience than anyone. She hated him when I started and was ready to leave months earlier. Sucks, that’s a whole year passed again. Fear is a terrible persuasion in certain cultures. #ABOVE #ADOBE

 

January 21
  • Angela Glass

    I just saw you lost JM to #iWork. I hope he was useful in the time with you, and you must be proud to ‘promote him’ onwards.

    Also, if you have contract work that’s remote — I’d love to help!

    I miss Apple. Smart people everywhere. Say hi some time, and think of me when you go to that kabob place!

  • Bob Baxley

    Yep. Always expected JMC to find a better role so was just happy we had him as long as we did. Amazing set of contributions for four months work.

    Can’t say remote contract work comes up to often but I’ll keep you in mind.

    Apple is definitely a unique place but it’s not the only unique place.

    Hope you’re well.

  • Angela Glass

    Hi! Oh I’m so glad to hear it! I thought he was super sharp.
    I’m well enough. Have gotten bored, and need to find fruitful work again. Banking is after bee, but, ugh. What an industry. How’s life? I miss hearing about your kid drama.
  • Bob Baxley

    You should put up a site and advertise that you do design work remotely.

    Lots of companies would be happy to work that way. It’s just #Apple’s way of working.

    Going rate in SV is $200/hr. Given your lower cost of living, ask $150 and see how many takers you get.

    Work 20 hours a week and you’re making $150K a year.

  • Angela Glass

    I’ve never known how to get business, nor quite how to advertise it. But you know, you’re completely right. Should I put the rate out there so no one contacts me for work thinking it’s crazy low rate?

    For instance I’m being hounded to go into Wells Fargo at $60/hr. for 18 months

    I think I’d be miserable, but of course I’m “perfect for them” (agency)

    Oh Bob, I miss our talks. Thanks for taking a moment for me.

  • Bob Baxley

    Tell them the rate when they call. Local firms there will have a heart attack if you ask $200. The trick is to work for CA companies while living outside CA.

    Just identify around 100 companies that you’re interested in and think you can help out. Send them an email through their job board and tell them how you think you could help.

    Maybe five will respond and that’s three more than you really need.

    Think companies like Sonos or other mid-size private companies doing stuff you think is cool.

  • Bob Baxley

    It’s not advertising per se. It’s just letting them know you’re available.

    Most people in those companies know they need designers but have no idea how to find or recruit them.

  • Angela Glass

    I found a website about working remote but there was little listed. I realize I can ‘bank’ on my name and my reputation, especially since Apple, but the how to was the part I wasn’t sure of

    do you know someone who’s in the kind of place I am? I’d love to find a site to see how they present themselves. I think I failed before in presenting myself with a business name rather than just as a one person expert

  • Bob Baxley

    Read Scott Berkun’s “Year Without Pants”. It’s all about working remotely.

    Thousands of designers work independently. Check out Dribbler or Behance to see tons and tons of portfolios.

  • Angela Glass

    Oh geez.

    Scott is a great friend.

    I’m a dork.

    He and I used to meet like you and I.

  • Bob Baxley

    Definitely go with your name only. You need to think more like you’re a writer or a painter or a photographer rather than thinking your some sort of multi person studio.

  • Angela Glass

    Back when I was MS and he’d just left. I should grab that book.

    and what should I “sell”

    as services?

    or do we assume people know what UX is?

    I’ve always been in corporate roles

    so I have little outside experience

  • Bob Baxley

    Sell your design skills. IA, interaction design, etc.

    Your portfolio will illustrate your skills.

  • Angela Glass

    I feel like a child with no experience, so I am VERY grateful for this conversation

    I think my portfolio shows nothing.

  • Bob Baxley

    The people you’ll talk to won’t know squat about UX. That’s why they’d hire you.

  • Angela Glass

    My work at Apple was undone

  • Bob Baxley

    Well you have to figure out what you want to do. What can you do on your own that would be useful?

  • Angela Glass

    Oh! They changed it again

    much better!

     

    apple.com

  • Bob Baxley

    Probably something related to wireframes and work flows.

  • Angela Glass

    Yeah, I’m great at telling people what’s wrong, how to fix it and such

    product strategy and design

    trained in product management

    i’ve managed to learn the whole gamut pretty much along the way

  • Bob Baxley

    Product design is a popular title these days.

  • Angela Glass

    Oh really?

    that was my role at MS

    I thought it was old school

    you’re a wealth of info

  • Bob Baxley

    The trick is to find small companies lacking any of these skills and then you’re automatically the expert.

  • Angela Glass

    yeah, i remain nervous about running into school types who have all kinds of documents and things I’m not accustomed to

    though I never have

  • Bob Baxley

    I was an independent contractor for six years. I know that world pretty well.

  • Angela Glass

    i think what i don’t know has limited my confidence to an extent it never should have

    man, i wish i would have reached out to you before

  • Bob Baxley

    Nobody cares about pedigree. They care about portfolios.

  • Angela Glass

    though now is the moment i feel ready to tackle a new adventure

    send me pointers to portfolios that you admire if you have them

    i’m great at seeing what people see in examples

  • Bob Baxley

    Go to some design conferences and network.

    You need to attach yourself to people already in demand and they’ll through you overflow work.

  • Angela Glass

    i need to figure out how to take what doesn’t show well and make it apparent what’s what

  • Bob Baxley

    Do you know Christina Wodtke? Erin Malone?

  • Angela Glass

    Erin Malone I know

    not Christina

  • Bob Baxley

    Erin can introduce you to a few hundred people.

    Go to SXSW in Austin.

  • Angela Glass

    Money

    The bank reneg’ed on the mortgage on the townhouse

    So closing took my cash savings

    they found out i was leaving apple

    so strick

    but yes, sxsw was my routine before

    i know peeps

  • Bob Baxley

    Ah. Well, emails cheap. Send out a few hundred of those.

  • Angela Glass

    i’ve never asked for help

    you’re right. time to cash in.

    i’ve also helped a lot of people along the way

    i’m just unaccustomed to the spot i’m in now

  • Bob Baxley

    It’s not so much you asking for their help. It’s you telling them you’re available to help them.

  • Angela Glass

    oh

    sxsw companies who want a name

    pick up @biz

    got it

  • Bob Baxley

    The world needs and wants designers. They just don’t know where to go find them.

  • Angela Glass

    you’re awesome bob

    i just pre-registered http://angela.glass

    today

    so i’m already on my way

  • Bob Baxley

    Glad I can be of service.

  • Angela Glass

    that’s the ‘portfolio’ which i find embarassing

    feel free to critique

  • Bob Baxley

    So that’s your first design project. You gotta build a portfolio you’re proud of.

  • Angela Glass

    when you say “build” do designers today code their own sites too?

    i saw Jan-Michael did that

    the one that’s there is a service one of my recruiter friends told me to use back when she was recruiting me for FB

    all these kids code and design

    makes me feel old

    ok. i’m going to start working on this. thanks for all the info. I’ll order Scott’s book. He was supposed to send me a copy to review, but I never got it

January 25
  • Angela Glass

    Ummmmmm… if you happen to spot the other Baxley on the list, would you take a photo for me?!

November 4
November 5
  • Angela Glass

    just in case i’m too late to play purple nirples games with pussys who play in shag ragtime carpeted cunt games,,,

    well then imagine @v’s secret show 2 years rock the vote no sponsored by #663399 work for free

    @mollydotcom dying

    great #cover #photop

    #coffee!UP later de/bee/taers

Seen Nov 5 by Tim Cook @ Apple, Inc.

Angela Glass
5/8, 8:40pm

Conversation started May 8, 2013
Angela Glass
florian, kate

— i’m getting married. plan a flight to san diego for PM of 5/24? it’s private, so keep the questions and response here.

also, meet bob. bob is my friend, the other baxley, no relation. Turns out you guys are in side-by-side buildings. first meeting might be weird, but you guys would get along. do lunch or something. or bring beer over to our building on early PM pre-shuttle time and i’ll grab steve too.
bob, florian and i worked together on itunes and became real friends as i was ‘leaving’. kate is his awesome fiance. they are displaced people with heavy accents from somewhere.
Florian Grünke-Horton
5/8, 8:45pm
Florian Grünke-Horton
Getting married?
Angela Glass
5/8, 8:46pm
Angela Glass
yup
Florian Grünke-Horton
5/8, 8:46pm
Florian Grünke-Horton
Wow. Awesome.
Angela Glass
5/8, 8:47pm
Angela Glass
see what happens when we skip a few weekends?
seriously guys
it’s all your fault
Kate Grünke-Horton
5/8, 8:47pm
Kate Grünke-Horton
WIAH!
Angela Glass
5/8, 8:47pm
Angela Glass
so you got plans? my coworker sidney and his wife are coming
Florian Grünke-Horton
5/8, 8:47pm
Florian Grünke-Horton
Always blame the foreigners!
Kate Grünke-Horton
5/8, 8:47pm
Kate Grünke-Horton
I mean woah!
Angela Glass
5/8, 8:47pm
Angela Glass
they are also foreigners
british and irish maybe?
anyway, yeah whoa
even more so once you know how many years of weaving of crazy the story is
but there’s time for stories as long as we’re alive, now i just want you to (a) get to know bob
and (b) see if you guys can come
Kate Grünke-Horton
5/8, 8:48pm
Kate Grünke-Horton
Angela Glass
5/8, 8:48pm
Angela Glass
and (c) I’ll invite everyone to the ‘wedding’ in NC too
but this is the real thing, and private
btw i may be gone this weekend. grandpa dying
Florian Grünke-Horton
5/8, 8:49pm
Florian Grünke-Horton
That’s sad news.
Angela Glass
5/8, 8:49pm
Angela Glass
so mom’s planning his party this weekend, thus my third death party trek to Indiana in just about a year?
Florian Grünke-Horton
5/8, 8:49pm
Florian Grünke-Horton
Your grandpa, that is
Angela Glass
5/8, 8:49pm
Angela Glass
yup. sort of stunned on that one.
my uncle which was completely stunning i took well
Florian Grünke-Horton
5/8, 8:50pm
Florian Grünke-Horton
Kate and I can check flights tonight.
Angela Glass
5/8, 8:50pm
Angela Glass
sweet!
Kate Grünke-Horton
5/8, 8:50pm
Kate Grünke-Horton
Yaaaaay!
Angela Glass
5/8, 8:50pm
Angela Glass
the point is to be in la jolla by friday PM
i want to get married after midnight on the ocean
Kate Grünke-Horton
5/8, 8:50pm
Kate Grünke-Horton
I’m so excited! Though sorry to hear about your grandpa
Florian Grünke-Horton
5/8, 8:50pm
Florian Grünke-Horton
In Mexico?
Angela Glass
5/8, 8:50pm
Angela Glass
thanks
and no worries — remember my family believes in resurrection, and eternity
no la jolla san diego
Kate Grünke-Horton
5/8, 8:51pm
Kate Grünke-Horton
oh yeah- that must come in handy
Florian Grünke-Horton
5/8, 8:51pm
Florian Grünke-Horton
Ah, good.
Never been so that might be an interesting one.

5/8/13 Florian Grünke-Horton named the conversation: Wedding planning.
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Conversation started October 30
Angela Glass
10/30, 9:41am
Angela Glass
Please let me tell you my story so maybe I can stop grieving. It's for my friend, the 'gay intern'. After I was fired first, then him, I let the gay intern move in on my couch, and found him another job from within. 
Peter Gremett cost me years worth of confidence as I couldn't that after all I had faced prior now, I had to fight to protect a kid from a homophobe. 
That kid was dealing with questions about faith, religion, God, family, "coming out" and what it would cost him—he expected that it would cost him his family. Meanwhile, I was trying to keep him from ever finding out what our boss thought of two lesbian women kissing across the street from his home—"they don't have any of them" at his kids school he said, when I inquired why he was so concerned about "protecting" them in the first place. 
I am the sacrificial lamb. I believe the most amazing talented girl is still stuck there working for him, as he's made her terrified of movement. The intern was happily placed with a good friend, and has kept on his merry way unscathed.
I'm still seething. I quit.
Angela Glass
10/30, 9:45am
Angela Glass
Ask Alexandra, she can tell you just how I fell apart in her office. I could barely articulate. I think you'll notice I'm not much better. Maybe one day I can forgive. But unfortunately it's hard when he's still at Apple and I miss "home". My last iPod was stolen. Jobs is dead. I believe in you, and Steve believed that "God" is love. He and I agreed on just a few things. He was good friends with another friend of mine, who I worked with at Microsoft—Vic Gundotra. He's at Google now. You can check my cred. I'm legit. But not too legit to quit.  Keep it up. Help me believe in this world so I can find a way to keep being crazy.
Angela Glass
10/30, 9:45am
Angela Glass
Thank you!  PS I know you won't see this, you'll receive it otherwise, the folks cc'ed get it first. I don't know how to get to you since we're not friends yet!  Please forgive me if I've gaffed. I only meant love.
October 30
Angela Glass
10/30, 1:27pm
Angela Glass
Thanks "guys".   Miss you Flo.
And Bob, well, you know like family. Almost. The other @baxley.
October 31

Oct 31Florian Grünke-Horton left the conversation.

Angela Glass
5/8, 8:58pm
Angela Glass
On the phone… brb
Florian Grünke-Horton
5/8, 8:58pm
Florian Grünke-Horton
So, where are you guys staying?
Sure
I am on the bus…
Kate Grünke-Horton
5/8, 9:02pm
Kate Grünke-Horton
I am on my chair.
Angela Glass
5/8, 9:12pm
Angela Glass
probably la valencia
Kate Grünke-Horton
5/8, 9:15pm
Kate Grünke-Horton
what is that?
hotel?
it’s PINK!
Angela Glass
5/8, 9:25pm
Angela Glass
yeah, i know. it’s just a gorgeous hotel otherwise
Kate Grünke-Horton
5/8, 9:25pm
Kate Grünke-Horton
it looks awesome
Angela Glass
5/8, 9:28pm
Angela Glass
it’s pricey, sidney is probably staying elsewhere
for the on the beach option but NO FRILLS the La Jolla Travelodge is where I usually stay, or there’s a hotel across the street nicer brand.
Angela Glass
5/8, 9:46pm
Angela Glass
we should start a new convo w/o poor bob, and name it ENGAGEMENT party
Bob Baxley
5/8, 11:36pm
Bob Baxley
Angela Glass
5/9, 12:00am
Angela Glass
heya boberiffic
so glad you happened to be meeting with me today. was terrific to share the news with someone in person.

5/9/13
You named the conversation: La Jolla Weekend to Remember.
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