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Salvation and the Great Crowd in Heaven

The term ‘salvation’ occurs three times in Revelation and is specifically related to the ‘great crowd’. (Revelation 7:9,10; 12:10; 19:1)

The first instance introduces the great crowd, “After these things I looked, and behold, a great crowd, which no man could count, out of every nation and of all tribes, peoples, and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands. They cried with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation be to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” — Revelation 7:9,10

The next instance tells us when and why salvation occurs, “Now the salvation, the power, and the Kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ has come; for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them before our God day and night. They overcame him because of the Lamb’s blood, and because of the word of their testimony. They didn’t love their life, even to death.” (Revelation 12:10,11)

The third instance concludes, “After these things I heard something like a loud voice of a great crowd in heaven, saying, “Hallelujah! Salvation, power, and glory belong to our God… I heard something like the voice of a great crowd, and like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of mighty thunders, saying, “Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the Almighty, reigns!” (Revelation 19:1,6)

“The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.” (Revelation 1:1-3)

“I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.” (Revelation 22:18,19)

The Watchtower’s ‘Reasoning from the Scriptures’ teaches,

“The “great crowd in heaven” referred to at Revelation 19:1,6 is not the same as the “great crowd” of Revelation 7:9. The ones in heaven are not described as being “out of all nations” or as ascribing their salvation to the Lamb; they are angels.”

The great crowd cries out in both places that salvation belongs to our God, as demonstrated above. The Watchtower doesn’t have confusion over the 144,000 of Revelation 7 being the same as Revelation 14 even though it doesn’t include “out of the twelve tribes of Israel” in both places. It is human reasoning to require Revelation to include the entire description of the great crowd in both chapters where they appear.

Despite John’s warning (Revelation 22:18,19), the Watchtower removes ‘the great crowd’ from heaven, and ‘adds’ that they are angels, instead of believing his word, the ‘Faithful and True’ ‘Word of God’ (Revelation 19:11,13), as the truth.

So what is the truth? Jesus said, “I am … the truth.” (John 14:6) and, “If you continue in My word, you are truly My disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” (John 8:31,32)

Whose word do you believe is the truth? The Watchtower, or the Revelation of Christ as the Faithful and True Word of God?

It is only if you continue in his word, that you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

Revelation 14 tells us, “I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him a number, one hundred forty-four thousand, having his name, and the name of his Father, written on their foreheads. I heard a sound from heaven, like the sound of many waters, and like the sound of a great thunder. The sound which I heard was like that of harpists playing on their harps.”

In Revelation 14, the 144,000 are gathered together standing with the Lamb on Mt. Zion, on earth, but where are the great crowd?

The description of the ‘sound from heaven’ (Revelation 14:2) accompanying the song of the 144,000 is the same as that of ‘the great crowd in heaven’ (Revelation 19:1), “something like the voice of a great crowd, and like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of mighty thunders”. (Revelation 19:6) The description of this sound from heaven (Revelation 14:2,19:6), the same as the crying out of ‘salvation’ (Revelation 7:10,19:1), is only applied to the ‘great crowd’ of Revelation (Revelation 7:9,19:1,6).

If you still believe the Watchtower over the Faithful and True Word of God, let’s continue reasoning from the scriptures…

Jesus is the salvation that belongs to our God, literally. (Psalm 3:8;62:1) The Hebrew word for salvation is yeshuah. The Messiah’s Hebrew name, Yeshua, is derived from his father’s Hebrew name, Yehowah, and means “Yehowah is Salvation”.

Salvation is revealed in Revelation.

Revelation 12 describes a sign and a seven year period of two parts, 1,260 days (Revelation 12:6) and 3.5 years (Revelation 12:14).

At the midpoint (Revelation 12:7) of the seven years, we are told “Now have come to pass the salvation…” (Revelation 12:9,10 NWT)

What was this salvation? “You yourselves have seen … that I might carry you on wings of eagles and bring you to myself.” (Exodus 19:4)

“Now when the dragon saw that it was hurled down to the earth, it persecuted the woman that gave birth to the male child. But the two wings of the great eagle were given the woman, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place; there is where she is fed for a time and times and half a time away from the face of the serpent.” … “The dragon was enraged at the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.” (Revelation 12:17)

We see she flies away, but who are the rest of her children with whom he makes war?

In Revelation, the 144,000 are the ones referred to as “the saints” or “holy ones”. (Revelation 8:3,13:7,10,14:12,16:6,17:6,19:8,20:9) “And there was given to it to make war with the saints, and to overcome them.” (Revelation 13:7)

Daniel teaches us this takes place in a period of three and a half years, “’He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.’” (Daniel 7:25) “I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”” (Daniel 12:7)

Matthew 24:29-31 confirms the outline of events as described in Revelation:

“And immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light,
and the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’”

The great tribulation are the events of Revelation 6 leading up to the sixth seal.

Revelation 6:12-14 describes the opening of the sixth seal with the same description from Matthew,

“I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake. The sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became as blood. The stars of the sky fell to the earth, like a fig tree dropping its unripe figs when it is shaken by a great wind. The sky was removed like a scroll when it is rolled up. Every mountain and island were moved out of their places. The kings of the earth, the princes, the commanding officers, the rich, the strong, and every slave and free person, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains. They told the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of his wrath has come; and who is able to stand?”

After this the 144,000 are sealed (Revelation 7:1-8), and we see the Great Crowd saved out of the great tribulation (Matthew 24:22, Revelation 7:9-17). How?

Matthew continues, “At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.” (Matthew 24:30,31)

Revelation 12 reveals this ‘sign of the Son of Man’:

“A great sign was seen in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was with child. She cried out in pain, laboring to give birth… She gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron. Her child was caught up to God, and to his throne. The woman fled into the wilderness, where God had prepared a place for her to be nourished for one thousand two hundred sixty days.” (Revelation 12:1-6)

After the unsealing of the sixth seal when the 144,000 are sealed, and the great crowd is saved, is the seventh seal and then the seven trumpets (Revelation 8-11).

When the Lamb appears on Mt. Zion with the 144,000, the great crowd are in heaven (Revelation 14:2;19:1,6):

“For this we declare to you in the word of the Lord, that we the living, remaining unto the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those having fallen asleep, because the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we, the living remaining, will be caught away together with them in the clouds for the meeting of the Lord in the air; and so we will be always with the Lord.” (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17)

The Greek word ‘elect’ (eklektos) is ‘select, choose, or chosen, out of’ referring to the ‘congregation’ (ekklésia) who are ‘called out from and to’ God, the entire congregation. It is out of this group that the 144,000 are sealed. (Matthew 24:31, Mark 13:27) The great crowd are the rest of the congregation, who receive salvation, while the 144,000 sealed are “the slaves of our God” (Revelation 7:3), and they are ‘dead in Christ [that] will rise first’ (1 Thessalonians 4:16).

Who is this woman?

Revelation later unveils “the bride, the wife of the Lamb” (Revelation 21:9), “I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.” (Revelation 21:2) This is “the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God” (Revelation 3:12), “the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God”. (Hebrews 11:10)

“Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written: “Rejoice, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have never travailed; because more are the children of the desolate woman, than of her who has a husband.” (Galatians 4:26,27, Jeremiah 3:14)

The 144,000 are the bride (Revelation 21:9), while the Great Crowd are the rest of the congregation, the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27).

“You have come to Mount Zion, and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable multitudes of angels, to the feast gathering (panéguris), and assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven… See that you don’t refuse him who speaks. For if they didn’t escape when they refused him who warned on the earth, how much more will we not escape who turn away from him who warns from heaven, whose voice shook the earth then, but now he has promised, saying, “Yet once more I will shake not only the earth, but also the heavens.” (Revelation 12:7-9) This phrase, “Yet once more” signifies the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that have been made, that those things which are not shaken may remain.” (Hebrew 12:22-27)

‘But also the heavens’ refers to the war in heaven in the middle of the seven years which caused the third woe, Satan and his angels to be thrown down to earth. (Matthew 24:29) Mt. Zion foreshadows the appearance of the Lamb and his bride, and the feast gathering is their marriage feast in heaven…

Thus we return to, “And I heard something like the voice of a great multitude, and like the sound of many waters, and like a sound of mighty thunders, saying:

“Hallelujah! For the Lord God our Almighty has reigned.
We should rejoice and should exult
and will give to Him the glory,
because the marriage of the Lamb has come,
and His bride has made herself ready.
And it was given to her that she should be clothed in bright, pure, fine linen.”

For the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

And he says to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are those having been invited to the supper of the marriage of the Lamb.’” And he says to me, “These are the true words of God.”” (Revelation 19:6-9)

Happy are those invited, but what will they wear?

“Blessed are those washing their robes, that their right will be to the tree of life, and they shall enter into the city by the gates.” (Revelation 22:14)

The great crowd are the only ones mentioned having “washed their robes”, and they alone gain access to “the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.” (Revelation 2:7)

Paul tells us, “I know a man in Christ who … was caught up into Paradise.” (2 Corinthians 12:3,4) “The Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him any longer.” (Acts 8:39) The word to express ‘caught up into Paradise’ or ‘carried away’ is the same as used of woman’s child being ‘caught away’ to God’s throne. (Revelation 12:5) Commonly translated ‘rapture’, the Greek word is harpazó, meaning to ‘seize, catch up, snatch away, or obtain by robbery’.

We may recall then Christ’s words, “Behold, I come like a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his clothes, so that he doesn’t walk naked, and they see his shame.” (Revelation 16:15)

Revelation warns, “If you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know the hour when I will come upon you.” (Revelation 3:3)

However, “You are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.” (1 Thessalonians 5:2) “God has not appointed us to suffer wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Thessalonians 5:9)

“The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be dissolved in the fire, and the earth and its works will not be found.” (2 Peter 3:9,10, Revelation 20:11)

After the 144,000 appear on Mt. Zion with the Lamb (Revelation 14:1), then there is the marriage feast in heaven (Revelation 19:1,9), before they return to earth (Revelation 20:9) to reign for a thousand years (Revelation 20:4).

After this is the resurrection (Revelation 20:5,11-15), and “I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth have passed away, and the sea is no more. (Revelation 20:11, 2 Peter 3:9,10) I saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.”

Hebrews tells us further of the faithful who died before Christ, “These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them from afar, and having embraced them, and having confessed that they are strangers and sojourners on the earth. For those saying such things make manifest that they are seeking their own country. And indeed if they had been remembering that from where they came out, they would have had opportunity to return. But now they stretch forward to a better one, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed of them, to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them.”


“How awesome is this place! This is none other than the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven.” (Genesis 28:17)

Those who “washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb” (Revelation 7:14) are the ‘Great Crowd’ (Revelation 7:9) who receive ‘salvation’ (Revelation 19:1,6) and have access to the “tree of life” (Revelation 22:14) in the “paradise of God” (Revelation 2:7), being “caught up into Paradise” (2 Corinthians 12:3,4, Matthew 24:30,31, 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17), they “may enter the city by the gates” (Revelation 22:14) of “Jerusalem above” (Galatians 4:26) before she descends to earth after the thousand year reign (Revelation 21:1,2,10, Hebrews 11:16, Hebrews 12:22).


The Watchtower teaches that the 144,000 are the new covenant. The 144,000 are only of the twelve tribes of Israel, and yet the entire congregation were taught to follow his commandments, including to ‘keep doing this in remembrance of him’. (Matthew 28:18-20, 1 Corinthians 11:23-26)

It wasn’t until the end of the first century that Christ inspired the Revelation introducing the 144,000 out of the twelve tribes of Israel, and the great crowd.

People of all nations, tribes, and tongues, were already new covenant partakers, thus the congregation would have understood the 144,000 to be sealed as ones who would have been a part of the new covenant, albeit to be sealed at some future time, and specifically to be out of the twelve tribes of Israel.

“Truly, truly, I tell you, he who believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life… This is the bread that comes down from heaven so that anyone may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And this bread, which I will give for the life of the world, is My flesh.”

At this, the Jews began to argue among themselves, “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?”

So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of Man, you have no life in you. Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For My flesh is real food, and My blood is real drink.” “Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood remains in Me, and I in him. Just as the living Father sent Me and I live because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on Me will live because of Me.” (John 6:47-57)

The great crowd who wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb have eternal life by eating his flesh and drinking his blood. Those who die he will raise on the last day, and those who live until his return will live ‘forever’ (to the end of the age) with access to ‘the tree of life’ which is in God’s paradise (Revelation 2:7, 22:14) in heaven during the millennial reign.

Afterwards it is as explained by Paul, “Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must be clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come to pass: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”” (1 Corinthians 15:51-54)
This is the resurrection at the end of the thousand years. (Revelation 20:5,11-15)

Do we have to ask “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?” The Jews didn’t understand because “their minds were closed. For to this day, the same veil remains at the reading of the old covenant. It has not been lifted, because only in Christ can it be removed.” (2 Corinthians 3:14)

Will you become a part of the new covenant before it’s too late? “Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.” (Romans 11:25)

“He took the bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body, given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”

Did Christ give his body for you?

In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you.” (Luke 22:19,20)

Did he pour out his blood for you?

After Christ died, he became ‘the Lamb’ signifying his sacrifice for all mankind.

After he was resurrected he appeared to offer his last words on earth, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

It is the great crowd of Revelation, out of all nations, who are the new covenant, along with the 144,000.

We are reminded, “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.” (Revelation 22:14)

They wash their robes by obeying all that he commanded, not least of which was to ‘keep doing this in remembrance’ of him. (1 Corinthians 11:23-26)

What other commandments of Christ do you selectively choose not to obey, or believe don’t apply to you?

Outline of Revelation
Revelation 1 introduces Revelation
Revelation 2-3 letters to the congregations
Revelation 4 in the spirit, entering heaven
Revelation 5 Lamb is worthy to open sealed scroll
Revelation 6 unsealing seals 1-6, the last days & great tribulation
Revelation 7 sealing 144,000 and great crowd saved
Revelation 8-11 seventh seal and seven trumpets
Revelation 12 describes the seven year period Daniel referred to as the last ‘week’:
— The first half are the events of Revelation 8-11 for 1,260 days.
— The second half are the events of Revelation 13-14 for 3.5 times.
Revelation 15-16 is God’s wrath leading up to Armageddon.
Revelation 17-18 explains Babylon the Great, and announces she has fallen.
Revelation 19 is the Great Crowd and the Bride in heaven for the marriage feast.
— Armageddon takes place at the end of Revelation 19.
Revelation 20 is the outline of the 1,000 years, ending with the resurrection.
Revelation 21 begins with a new heaven and new earth for those resurrected.
— New Jerusalem then descends from the heaven to the new earth.
Revelation 22 concludes, “Behold, I come quickly. Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”

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October 12, 2016

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     1. DISASTER HITTING JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES.  The Governing Body board of the Watchtower organization over JWs long taught before all JWs who lived in the 1914 Generation died, the End would bring Jehovah God’s kingdom with paradise on earth where physically & mentally ill JWs would be healed & live forever.  By 2014 the Body had to teach that an Overlap Generation would. Many disappointed JWs went slack. In 2015 the Body had a Return To Jehovah campaign and 2016 Loyalty conventions with doomsday films and a talk saying loyal JWs should shun inactive JWs. Ghana’s JWs did not clap, elders quietly began helping others exit.  WT  reprimanded Nigerian elders for giving foes access to  The foes sent documents to the Australian Royal Commission (ARC) investigating the WT policy of hiding pedophiles etc (1Cor 6:9-11) among JWs etc. Families quietly quit in Latin America & worldwide; grew their own independent Bible study groups in their homes teaching paradise kingdom blessings. Child custody judges disliked WT films inducing some to anxiety-panic attacks etc; on TV after the convention Adrian Karibian climbed Sydey Harbour Bridge to proclaim the End is about to hit.  The Body hustled for more money to weather the storm. For example they put ATMs in conventions, pushed JWs to make monthly auto bank withdrawls, used internet-fed JW TV to urge more donations, made cheaper, shorter, less quality literature, urged literature be downloaded more, laid off thousands of “Bethelite” staffers, dumped traveling City & District Overseers, compacted congregations, sold some halls & branches in nations including Spain’s newly built complex, sold the Brooklyn buildings sources says from $1 billion to $2 billion possibly 2 mostly to Jared Kushner (in-law of Donald Trump), built a paradise setting new headquarters near Warwick, NY on land that had had nickle contamination etc.  By 2016 two UK commissions were investigating WT in the UK over child abuse & charity fraud.  Germany also has begun a commission.

    2. THEY had JWs start shifting from doorstep preaching more to cart literature work.  Older long-loyal anointed (essentially born-agains hoping to go to heaven) in Brooklyn including Ted Jaracz’s widow called it a mistake at a private meeting so the Body told them to pack & leave though many had no family to return to as those had died; “concerned” younger Bethelites sent the Body word to find the older ones living arrangements or the story could get into the papers. The Body then helped them but word went to metro NYC congregations so that one JW TV talk at the end alluded to it indirectly and claimed if still alive GB members Barr and Jaracz would have backed the Body’s many changes. Barr did not like WTs drift. Jaracz’s support is doubtful; his dissenting widow died in 2015. Protests in & out of WT grow at Memorials of the Last Supper where only anointed JWs can partake. Elders at an Atlanta were told crowd in on “Jesus is God” protesters; the next day line up to block the view of them. See youtube,, & sixscreensofthewatchtower.

    3. FOES pointed out (youtube) JW TV showed Sam Herd with an expensive rolex watch, Gerritt Losch’s gem rings etc, so cameras have panned closer to faces to avoid JWs seeing those.  The Warwick compound includes an infirmary, underground parking lot, some hidden bunkers, copper roof shielding against RF surveillance. The Body want to approve more blood substitutes possibly after the 2 UK investigations.  Wealthy JWs tied to the No Blood Industry make donations, want to expand the business. The anti-transfusions blood policy has likely blocked millions from becoming JWs. In 2015 the Australian Royal Commission aired child abuse hearings with the Body’s Geoffrey Jackson saying we don’t shun or do corporal punishment.  His use of Theocratic Warfare verbal tactics was based on “we don’t shun but those shunned do it to themselves” & “parents choose the discipline.” Still, the ARC declared 77 deficiencies. The Body rejected the ARC’s suggestion of letting women attend Judicial Committees when female victims are questioned by all males including “repentent” pedophiles etc per 1Cor 6:9-11. Jackson gave scriptures against but the ARC senior counsel Angus Stewart countered with others. ARC is still exhibiting the normally secret Shepherd The Flock manual on its site where JW sisters worldwide can read it. More commission hearings will spark more news, legal actions or laws. Canada may get a commission. Marci Hamilton wants Congress to investigate or legislate to make all groups protect kids to stay tax exempt. 

    4. BODY member Anthony Morris & other American speakers in 2015-16 went to London, Warsaw etc, & said Gog of Magog (governments) are causing Great Tribulation possibly to scare JWs to do more, bluff commission officials to back off, fearing a Jonestown type suicide. Elders have noted that Body to BOE letters have said have lists of loyal ones to hide in safe places. Many JWs have to-go bags ready, etc. WT anti-gay leafletting in Devon & Cornwall in the UK upset the LGBT group Stonewall in 2016 yet Bethelites allege Body member Sanderson is a Non-Practicing Gay. Losch & others got on the Body after telling parents of molested kids to “wait on Jehovah.” We don’t need Body members alleged pedophiles etc to believe in paradise etc. It soils Jehovah’s image when those let local pedophile elders and like ilk (1Cor 6:9-11) night stalk, spy on other JWs, phone & noise harass, key apostates cars. Google search for example youtube video “NEWS 5 INVESTIGATES: Sex offender going door-to-door” about perp Wayne Ivery in Colorado Springs. Please mail copies to JWs & others in the public. 

    A.) DID you know Raymond Franz while on the Governing Body of the Watchtower (WT) organization over Jehovah’s Witnesses (JWs) wrote Crisis Of Conscience & In Search Of Christian Freedom.  He learned all archaeologists agreed Jerusalem was destroyed in 587 BC instead of 607 BC but the Body refused to accept that since it meant their teaching Christ had returned invisibly in 1914 was wrong.  In the Jan 1, 1972 WT  magazine (p. 32) they made the Bedroom Law if a man had sex with another man or animal, his wife could not scripturally divorce him as there was no joining with another flesh to conceive.  They reversed it eventually; then when elders in a California congregation reported a couple for privately having literature & photos of non-missionary type sex, the Body ruled they must be disfellowshipped (shunned cruelly). WT magazines (Dec 1, 1972, Nov 15, 1974) banned married JW couples from non-missionary sex. The WT of Feb 15, 1978, reversed the Bedroom Law but the March 15, 1983 issue banned as “unnatural” oral intimacy including by JWs otherwise unable; also warned oral sex disqualifies male JWs from becoming elders, can lead to expulsion. The Bedroom Laws are rarely mentioned even among JWs to the Public or those talked into new Bible studies. Likely few to nobody would ever become a JW if the degree of invasiveness were known.

    B.) FOR DECADES the Body banned JWs from alternative service in place of fighting. The Body once came within a vote of changing that; long after he was off the Body they changed & published it in the WT of May 1, 1996 but gave no apology to the many JWs who had had to serve prison time or their families. JWs in Malawi were attacked, raped, had homes and crops burnt in 1964, 1967, 1972, 1975 since the Body ruled they must not buy a cheap card saying they supported Malawi’s sole political party though Christ at Matthew 5:41 & Paul at Romans 13:7 said render what is due to governments.  Simultaneously they let Mexican JWs pay money to military officers to obtain cards saying untruthfully they had served in the military. Weak logic or racism? While preaching in kingdom halls against the UN, WT affiliated as an NGO 1991 to 2001; later claimed it was just to keep a UN library card.    

    C.) WT BRANCH heads at Athens in 1986 spied on 100+ exJWs who kept reading & discussing the Bible in homes. On April 6, 1987 some 50 met at the home of Nick & Eftihia Bozartzis.  Nick spotted two watching the house, one a JW he knew. As he approached they fled.  That Apr 9 the house-church group was to meet at Voula Kalokerinou home but instead decided to celebrate the Memorial on April 11. She spotted 5 men in a car across from her house the next 2 evenings; on the 11th an unknown car & van with back window papered except for a circle in the center. Men in the car went to talk to men in the van several times. A friend went to see what was going on and the car sped away but through the van’s circle he saw video camera equipment used by elder Nikolas Antoniou & branch elder Dimetre Zerdes. Others from her house & a policeman from the nearby Italian Embassy came.  The Bethelites had driven to a park to unload equipment; were arrested for invasion of privacy.  They lied to a D.A. named Kontaxis they were only there to film a relative of Zerdes.  In reality his cousin Eftihia Bozartzis had disassociated from WT or JWs 2 years before, meaning he had nothing to do with her so was lying.  The D.A. denounced the trampling on “human rights.”  Confiscated film showed Christian ExJWs entering the house church meeting, Bozartzis not even in the film. Later WT’s Awake! magazine blasted the Greek Orthodox Church for having a stadium to cancel a WT assembly possibly to make word about Watchtower reps being convicted of criminal conduct seem less believable to other JWs if they ever heard of it.

  D.) HE REMINDED all awakening JWs & ExJWs that Acts 5:27-29 says “Obedience to God comes before obedience to men” including Governing Body men. Christianity is a “way of life” which include “sacred services” like day & night acts of kindness, parents raising happy children to do right, husbands keeping marriage honorable and working whole-souled as to God, wives known for “hospitality, kindness and neighborliness, all looking after orphans, widows & others in need.  Franz also noted Christ said he is present when even “two or three” Christians gather.  Though WT says JWs must believe & all things the Body says, Paul says “be united in the same mind and the same purpose,” but not to be totally uniform like robots, also true unity is when Christians are free to have some different views (Romans 14) yet be united by Love which is the only “perfect bond of union.” (Col 3:14)  The Bible says follow the Lamb (Christ), obey God not Watchtower men.  Apostolic authority today is not from successors of apostles or other men but the scriptures the apostles wrote to help us. Raymond Franz died in 2010 but noted Christian ExJWs can as needed fellowship while staying loyal to God in their homes; there are friendly churches of similar beliefs like some Adventist groups, some independent Baptist churches etc.  The internet, Facebook, free international phone conferences etc also offer new ways to meet via the internet. Groups showing real love grow.  Nobody needs WT to preach kingdom blessings, show loving-kindness. In 2016 WT was battered by its many past failed prophecies, governments investigating the hiding & sheltering of pedophiles etc., sixscreensofthewatchtower,, Get copies to JWs & others please.

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Jehovah’s Witnesses and Child Abuse—Is there a problem?

News reports claim that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, the official name for the organization that governs the Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide, has been engaged in covering up child abuse within the religion on a massive scale.

But are these reports justified? Is this a case of an innocent religion being unfairly maligned because of the actions of one or two bad apples in their ranks? How many victims are there? Do the Governing Body know about these issues? What’s really going in the multiple courtroom cases that Watchtower has been fighting across the world?

Jehovah’s Witnesses and Child Abuse—Is there a problem?  is a painstakingly researched documentary that draws together evidence from sources spanning the past twenty five years…

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Religion, Scriptures

Google YHWH

The New World Translation revised edition (recently published translation of the scriptures by The Watchtower and distributed by Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide) renders the beginning of Isaiah 55 verse 6 as “Search for…”

I read that and wondered immediately how many people have Googled for YHWH?

And if people searched for Yehowah, how many would find

An internet hide and seek, search for him “while while he may be found.

Which 404’s first, God or Google?a topic Seth Rogen took on with This Is The End (2013: the first Jewish rapture comedy) where “a bunch of Jews” are “aghast to discover that the Christians were right…” and the internet going down was the least of their problems. Continue reading

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Babylon, The Mother of False Religion


The Kabbalah mystery religion which originated in ancient Sumer, thus putting its beginnings in the same remote epoch as the mysteries of Egypt and the Hindu Vedas. Babylon succeeded Sumer, and transmitted the teachings in turn to the Hebrews, along with many other elements of their religion, which are therefore still familiar to us today from the Book of Genesis. The word “Kabbalah” comes from a Hebrew root meaning to receive sacred teachings. Continue reading


The Way


“Don’t let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God, and trust also in me.

There’s Room for You

There is more than enough room in my Father’s home.
If this were not so, would I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you?

I Will Come and Get You

When everything is ready, I will come and get you, so that you will always be with me where I am.

You Know The Way

And you know the way to where I am going.”

Don’t Doubt

“No, we don’t know, Lord,” Thomas said.


“We have no idea where you are going, so how can we know the way?”

I am The Way

Jesus said, “I am the way

I am The Truth

and the truth 

I am The Life

and the life. 

The Way to the Father

No one comes to the Father except through me.” — John 14:1-6


The Way of Holiness

And a highway will be there;
it will be called the Way of Holiness.
it will be for those who walk in that Way;

Only the redeemed will walk there,
and the ransomed of the Lord will return. — Isaiah 35:8,10

The Way to Zion

“In those days, at that time,” declares the Lord,
“the people of Israel and the people of Judah together
will go in tears to seek the Lord their God.

They will ask the way to Zion
and turn their faces toward it.

They will come and bind themselves to the Lord
in an everlasting covenant
that will not be forgotten.”

“My people have been lost sheep.” — Jeremiah 50:4-6


The Truth

“Lead me by your truth and teach me, for you are the God who saves me.” — Psalms 25:5

The Truth

Jesus said, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” — John 14:6

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.” — John 1:14

The Spirit of Truth

If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever—the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.” John 14:15-17

“When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own but will tell you what he has heard. He will tell you about the future.” — John 16:13